K: How many cars do you think you’ve hit excluding moving trucks and vans and shit?

S: As far as just cars? Whips motherfucking whips? I think I’m the Hummer killer, I probably got at least over 50 Hummers, and were not talking about keying these things here – fucking we’re doing scribes man.

K: Got any funny stories about any etch bath?

S: I never really fucked with it but I got a funny story about my homeboy Daveo. I had this recipe that I made up in my mind and shit – and I told it to him – and then, he hit me up and told me his boy put it in his marker and it blew up in his pocket and burned through his pocket and burned his whole leg up – nawwhatimean? But I personally, never fucked with it – fuck that shit. If you got a marker though I'll use it – I'll fucks wit it.





K: A lot of people even old school writers, think that using etch bath is just too destructive and look down on the kids that do it.

S: I think anyone who discredits what anyone else does is full of shit. These people, they try to perpetuate some type of graffiti hierarchy and it has totally ruined the reason we do graffiti. Graffiti is not to be cool – if you're cool like you’re having a good time, then you’re not doing graffiti. But if you’re hella sad and you’re girlfriend just fucked your best friend and your mom kicked you out of the house at six AM and you had to go to your faggot friend who you never liked ever and who’s gonna annoy the shit out of you just so you can live and have a place to sleep, THEN that’s when you do graffiti – that’s when graffiti comes and pours out of you. It’s not when you’re having a good time and fucking a fine bitch and making a lot of money.

K: Talk about the moves you’ve been making as a fine artist.

S: I hope that one day it happens for me. I’m not a fine artist though man – I strive to fuck wit it. I’ll draw all day long - I’ll fuck around and produce art. I think it’s my next step, the kind of artwork that I’ve done my whole life can only go so far in the manner that I’ve been doing it. I think that in order for it to be accredited in the manner that it deserves is to actually display it to the people who are in charge of, well, in charge of not really classifying it, but in a way get graffiti reclassified as a legitimate art form – something that’s gonna get some kind of respect. The thing about the kind of artwork that we do is that it’s so competitive that you can never really gain any type of true appreciation of your artwork from your peers because they’re putting all of the energy that could be used to appreciate your art into appreciating their own art. It’s not to say that you can’t take somebody else as an inspiration…








K: It’s narcissism?

S: Yeah that’s true but the thing is that it’s great though, it feeds your ego. It’s like you know “every cars a cop and every cops a critic”. That means when you’re out bombing in these streets please believe that the headlights coming around the corner just saw you doing this shit, now your heart’s pumping and bumping and you’re running for your life in a wash and then air support comes and it’s a whole new situation and your running from the spotlight in the wrong neighborhood. You run into a cul-de-sac being followed by its inhabitants screaming “mira, mira” at your ass as they join the chase. Graffiti introduces you to situations in life which one would never experience or fantasize about.


K: Do you agree that graffiti most prolifically thrives in the ghetto?

S: Graffiti belongs in the ghetto. When these kids spray-paint they are trying to go to battle with paid maintenance crews and it’s a fucking losing battle. It’s a funny joke, don’t get me wrong if you have the heart and the effort to go after a corporation who you feel is unjust then I wanna go see you fight the fuckers – but that fight is not for me. You’ll see me painting where people can’t afford to go over my shit and not only that I’m attacking slum lords whether they be the city or business owners who don’t maintain their shit. The government should be maintaining the freeway, it’s not my fault I run for years on end… it’s not my fault.

K: What are your new paintings all about?

S: They don’t mean nothing to me. It’s just what I do man…check it out, some people just feel the need to water a yard full of dirt and rake it just to see the lines in it. It’s like: why do they gotta do that shit? I just do what I do man.





K: What's a beef about man?

S: Aww fuck, I dunno I think beef is basically somebody who you don’t see eye to eye with and it’s like, are you gonna accept my way of believing or am I gonna accept your way of believing. I don’t think I’m going to accommodate someone else by saying “yeah you know you were right let me apologize and try to make this right.” I have tons of beef but half of it probably starts out of boredom. I shouldn’t even be allowed to say shit to people sometimes – because I have a certain way of thinking and it’s just my bad habit to call them out on it. And I hate to be called out on my shit so it leads me to do the same thing over and over and over again.

K: Like a downward spiral?

S: Not to say that it’s like a curse, because it’s definitely something that you choose – but it’s within a graffiti writer’s nature to be engulfed with beef…








K: Yeah if they’re really doing shit.

S: I think everyone has demons and I think these demons could be either real life situations or they could be a manifestation of super paranoia that physically haunts you. Some people are afraid of going broke so they’ll do whatever it takes to make it. I have a real good sense of humor when it comes to people trying to adapt their ways onto other people. I’m intrigued by mind control. I grew up in a neighborhood full of Debos and its kind of rubbed off on me a bit – don’t get me wrong you’re a product of your environment to a certain point, but the only time I disagree with anybody is when they stop being true to themselves. Don't mistake, if you’re being true to yourself and it opposes me, don’t be surprised when I come upside your head. It’s just the way its gonna be like everything else, but you'll still get my overall respect by holding yours down.

K: Where do you get your inspiration?

S: I get so much inspiration from the people of the night. It’s crazy, at a certain point in your life you wake up in the morning and you see your parents, you see everybody, and you live in a house and there’s lights, it’s not dim and you see the color of your clothes, you get in the shower and feel the warmth of water and you dry off, you feel the dry towel, but what nobody knows is that you’re about to go on this adventure that night, that is gonna lead you to the most delusional amount of bullshit that you're ever going to experience. You’re not going to be going out to paint where people are mowing their lawns at 2 am waving at you – you’re gonna go to where people are smoking crack, fucking prostitutes selling crack, trying to divert the attention of the police, and you being there is causing even more attention. So you are immediately encountering opposition as soon as you step out of your house. Timing is crucial –it’s crazy because the areas you can be in at 5pm are definitely not the same areas you should be in at 2 am. When you go scope a spot it doesn’t matter what city you’re in because all of em got slums all of em got ghettos. Say you scoped the spot at 5 and it looked cush then all of a sudden you’re up there at 2 and you have people coming out after you – what are you supposed to do jump off the roof?





K: What do you see in the future for Graffiti?

S: Graffiti is an art form that will live forever but I don’t think people will ever really appreciate its true value. Tell me and show me, how any other art form has held this high of a dialogue between each other. Who follows each other this closely? It’s just not the same. I understand that people respect fine art, but are they saving up their money to go fly, visit, and in essence study with and surround themselves with all these fine artists? No, nothing else is as prolific as graffiti. Graffiti is what it is, there is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. You’re not going to become some super cool dude; you might score with some stupid girls who you would never really want to associate with anyways, if they’re gonna fuck you cause you’re good at graffiti. Graffiti is illegal. Paint is free. Don’t stress about it. If you’re gonna do art than do art, be the dopest artist out but just don’t call yourself a graffiti artist. All the checks that are going to be cashed have the names on them already – you better hope that graffiti has a resurfacing 20 years from now because otherwise, you're gonna stay broke and useless.